Jan 22
An interview with Dr. Stanton Peele. Produced and directed by Patrick and Andrea Bergin. Copyright First Vision Productions 2003. … Peele AA “Alcoholics Anonymous” 12 Steps Coercion
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not only a mind reading omnipresent being, you also appear to be strongly in favour of misery for those who disagree with you..
Hows that ego-free spirituality going ?
Well you can say kmart is not like walmart …but they are so similar just as AA and a lot of churches…or the ideas contained in them
And I know a secret…
At night, when you’re not blogging and making resentment videos, when you go to bed and no one else is there to argue with, you are miserable. And I know that because you’re driven by resentment. And for that I am really sorry.
Sir, just let it go. Whatever happened. Seriously…
Answer me this though. I have 10 years and just spent a weekend with longterm-recovered AAs; With any conscience, how do you make a video slandering the effectiveness of AA?
You’re dishonest
HAHAHAHAHA…oh my gosh. I know you now. I saw you crap on the internet. Did you get burned somehow?
It’s amazing how un-smart you are. Seriously. Not only can you not separate INDIVIDUALS from AA, you now can’t even distinguish courts from AA.
Do you not even know that many groups are now refusing to sign court slips? Why? Because “AA” (if you can even speak of it collectively) wants people who are serious about recovery. It’s not a babysitter for courts.
“Any deviation from “the course”, or questioning methods is met with mockery and hostile disdain.”
Was that in the “treatment facility” itself?
Tommy. You really need help. I watched your “30 million books” video. Man, you are REALLY stupid. It’s 30 million books in SEVENTY ONE YEARS!
Get it?
How many millions of AA members do you think there have been in the last 71 years? 15 million? 20 million? Also, every damn library everywhere has one (or more) not to mention rehabs, prisons, etc, etc.
You’re even dumber than I thought you were.
For once, I agree with isegoria. Those Fundies scare the crap out of me. The idea of being locked up and subjected to those thumpers with no way out makes me shiver .
Just driving through some of those Bible Belt areas is scary.
Going to a meeting in NC is like going to a Mega Church
I was talked into spending a month at a “treatment facility” in North Carolina once. I can personally attest that those people are entirely and completely insane, manipulative, and OBSESSED with religion. Many of the claims they make, especially in some of the “steps”, are completely false, and can be proven as such in about ten minutes. Any deviation from “the course”, or questioning methods is met with mockery and hostile disdain. They seem to more indoctrinate people than teach them things.
Well, I’m off paper as of Mid-February and Fake Everything, Appear Recovered was my bread & butter. The acronym holds water, too. It’s not as if the judicial system has any positive motivators for obeying the law.
F.E.A.R. – I love it!! That’s the best advice I’ve gotten!! I am a moderate drinker at best… rarely touch the stuff. Not like the pro’s that drink & drive ALL the time & never get DUI’s. One DUI in 47 years of living and you’d think I shot the Pope! And I believe F.E.A.R. is the best way to get over and out of this shit!
I could not agree more!!
You’ve got it backwards. The legal system has worked its way into AA.
It’s not true that they have no desire to involve us. That’s a complete lie. AA has worked it’s way into the legal system, people are forced into AA…surely you’re aware of that?
I fail to see why these self proclaimed-know it all/holier than thou people have such an issue with a fellowship that has no desire to involve them at all. Why would someone be this pissed as to post a series of videos on the subject, explaining thier opinion? This old bastard seems really pissed, like AA robbed him of thousands of dollars. It makes no sense. I would recomend he have a drink, and shut the fuck up.
It sounds like you’re upset with the courts more that AA.
AA states, “Our book is meant to be suggestive”. AA also talks of “a God of our understanding”.
However, if you don’t like God/Higher Power/Creator, there is an new alternative with a posh one on one setting, “The Cure”. It only costs $70,000.00 and you get pampered for a whole month. Some say it’s better than what they get in AA for free.
Namaste
It’s simple good buddy! Don’t like AA–don’t go there! As for court orders, the court only asks that you attend the meeting. It doesn’t ask you to beleive anything. In many areas or Canada and the USA, , you have no choice, there is no other group!
AA is helping you to overocme your addiction to booze, nothing else. If you want to drink, it’s your choice.
If an offender does not want to attend AA, any reasonable judge will accept a preferred alternative. However, offenders eagerly choose AA because it is available, free and convenient. They can attend 4-5 meetings a day if they want. Also, they can fake it easily. The AA posture of “cooperation” with courts went back to drunks helping drunks” – actually interceeding to keep sick people out of jail. Good then. Bad now. The average AA member thinks we are “helping” . Wrong, IMO
I love AA but I don’t like this court-ordered business. Never saw it in the state where I used to live, but in my new state it is common. This is bad for AA. Most of the offenders we get are narcotics offenders with a sprinkling of DUI’s. Not good for AA. In my area, most groups sign cards – some do not. I sign cards before the meeting if they want it. No problem – I am more interested in helping them than helping the government. Big problem for AA and should be rectified.
Fraud?? LOL OLOLOLOLOLOL The reason I a signed them like that is I agree with you. I dont think the state has the power to send us people. BUT FYI- The reason the door revolves as much as it does says nothing about the program. The SINGLE BIGGEST REASON IS~ Once personal accountability. Once people start realizing that their the problem, c-ya later! They much prefer to blame the world, life, and circumstance for their predictament. Thats why AA has a passing parade. PERIOD.
amuck – how about ‘jerkoff’? does that suit you any better?
the issue isn’t the signature; the issue is the court/half-way house/EAP mandated attendance & signature sheet (which i signed 100′s of times – w/my own name, not having taken the ‘rigorously honesty’ approach of your perpetrating fraud).
that the above agencies don’t check, just exposes the lie of the mandate: it’s a cheap, widely available avenue to suggest they’re ‘doing something’.
but the AA door still rapidly revolves.
You have done what 100′s of times? Had court cards? You can sign your own fricken court card. You think the court calls and see’s who the secrataries are?? !! I have signed names like Paul McCartney, Ronald Reagan on court cards when I have been secratary. I have no obligation to sign those things. No one ever came back and said, hey the judge said you signed Ronald Reagan. Shitbird? You must not be from thewest coast, thats like 4 years old.
amuck – you still need a signature, shitbird, i’ve done it 100′s of time so don’t try to to misrepresnt it.
You can attend AA meetings and not do anything except walk in, throw your court card in the basket, go read until the meeting is over and leave. Your not forced in to the steps. I mean lets at least tell the truth her. you dont have to do a damn thing. Now I agree technically your correct. I dont think the court should make someone come to a place that has spiritual over tones. However though, its not like it is going to hurt you. You listen you like you stay, you dont like you leave.
Ok, one point, the man who wrote the book ” Living Sober ” is a very real atheist. I have gone to meetings where he go’s. I have NEVER!!!! heard anyone say a bad word about him. What the hell do I care what or what you dont belive in? Point two, we dont tell people THEY HAVE TO turn their will over to God. Came to belive is a process, not an event in most cases. And the real juice is just in the PURSUIT of a relationship with something other than your previous higher power, THE BOTTLE.